Editing Template talk:Pp (section)

=== Pp userspace bug? ===
(Side comment) About your use of the vandalism category as an example, when i used {{tlx|pp|vandalism}} as a test on my user page, it used the baseplate user page category and not the specific vandalism one, but the blp category would be used over the user page one. I'll probably investigate whats going on there, since I've got no idea why theres a difference. [[User:Aidan9382|Aidan9382]] <sub>([[User talk:Aidan9382|talk]])</sub> 13:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
:Unable to reproduce. Doesn't display at all for me. I think the banner doesn't display if it doesn't detect any page protection. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:limegreen">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 13:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
::Try doing <code><nowiki>{{pp}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{pp|blp}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{pp|vandalism}}</nowiki></code> at [[Special:ExpandTemplates]]. Set the context title to <code>User:Aidan9382/SafeEnvironmentTesting</code> (semi-protected for this very purpose) so that the banner actually works and see the output categories. [[User:Aidan9382|Aidan9382]] <sub>([[User talk:Aidan9382|talk]])</sub> 13:32, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Was able to reproduce. Userspace <syntaxhighlight inline lang="text">{{pp|vandalism}}</syntaxhighlight> is not placing in [[:Category:Wikipedia pages semi-protected against vandalism]]. Pretty minor, but if someone wants to fix it, go for it (assuming it's not intentional for some reason lost in history :) The bug is likely in a module somewhere, e.g. [[Module:Protection banner]] or [[Module:Protection banner/config]]. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:limegreen">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 13:44, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
::::It's nothing to do with the namespace, the {{tlx|pp}} template intentionally displays nothing on a page that's not protected. Instead, it puts the page into hidden {{cl|Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates}}. The reason for this is partly so that it doesn't get used by people who think that the template alone is enough to confer protection, and partly so that the banner or padlock indicator vanish when the prot expires. If you want, I can set up some subpages of [[Template:Pp/testcases]] having different prot levels so that the messages may be demoed. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 05:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::The test page we were using to reproduce the bug, [[User:Aidan9382/SafeEnvironmentTesting]], is semi-protected. Placing <syntaxhighlight inline lang="text">{{pp|vandalism}}</syntaxhighlight> on [[User:Aidan9382/SafeEnvironmentTesting]] does not place in [[:Category:Wikipedia pages semi-protected against vandalism]], but a mainspace protected page such as [[Abraham Lincoln]] does. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:limegreen">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 05:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::But it does categorise into hidden {{cl|Wikipedia semi-protected user and user talk pages}}, and also displays either a padlock icon or a banner, depending upon whether you used {{para|small|yes}} or not. That banner or icon is the primary purpose of [[Module:Protection banner]], which is the core of [[Template:Pp]], any categorisation is a sideline. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
::::This is apparently intentional, see [[Module:Protection_banner/config#L-755|Module:Protection_banner/config line 755]]. This can be ignored, as its not a bug. Sorry for any confusion caused there. [[User:Aidan9382|Aidan9382]] <sub>([[User talk:Aidan9382|talk]])</sub> 20:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Other codes such as blp in userspace place in the blp category though. But eh, sentiment seems to be that it's not worth fixing. All good. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:limegreen">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 20:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, its all about order. If its higher on that list it takes effect earlier (or at least its ordered that way). To "fix" it, the order would need to be changed, but I doubt its worth it, per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=hastemplate%3APp-blp&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22fields%22%3A%7B%22hastemplate%22%3A%5B%22Pp-blp%22%5D%7D%7D&ns2=1&ns3=1 this search] (I just removed [[User:RandomStringOfCharacters|the only entry]]). [[User:Aidan9382|Aidan9382]] <sub>([[User talk:Aidan9382|talk]])</sub> 20:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)